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發表發表於: 星期一 七月 02, 2012 4:02 pm    文章主題: ?? Gaggia Classic ??? 引言回覆

Gaggia Classic
http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_7_Classic

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發表發表於: 星期一 七月 02, 2012 11:43 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

no promotion price for such traditional model.

2nd hand online or NEW in SOGO.
no extra expensive price of gaggia products in hk.

THX Laughing Laughing
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bib 寫到:
no promotion price for such traditional model.

2nd hand online or NEW in SOGO.
no extra expensive price of gaggia products in hk.

THX Laughing Laughing


Thanks

Initially I was looking for Gaggia New Baby Twin with 2 heating systems and dual pumps. Later I heard some noisy on Internet about its durability. Then I switch my preference to Gaggia Classic.

Actually Gaggia New Baby, New Class and Classic are the same machine with identical features and performance. The only difference is their design.
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發表發表於: 星期二 七月 03, 2012 1:28 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

I recommend Gaggia Classic more.
less electronics, less chance out of order...
this model is a good model,
most important issue is what grinder you are going to get ??
Espresso only : Eureka Mignon.
Espresso + Filter/Drip/Syphon :
Tiamo 700S *best bearing and burr in same kind grinder !
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13831903684 <- reliable source for HK coffee geek.
Taiwan buying 220V, I have no idea warranty is better get it from China...
THX
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bib 寫到:
I recommend Gaggia Classic more.
less electronics, less chance out of order...
this model is a good model,

Agreed

引言回覆:

most important issue is what grinder you are going to get ??

For grinder I'm targeting on;
Compak K-3 Touch
http://www.compak.es/en/productos/020202.htm

Burr grinder, Flat type

They are available in Hong Kong.

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Espresso only : Eureka Mignon.

Eureka
http://www.eurekagrinders.com.au/index.php/mignon-elettronic.html

http://hongkong.asiaclassified.com/en/Eureka+Mignon+Istantaneo+grinder+-+Brio+Espresso--4cf9b817e62d6c5920f70301
?????????10?2? (??????????)
This folk offers Eureka grinder. Have you ever visited his office?

引言回覆:

Espresso + Filter/Drip/Syphon :

I like Syphon apparatus, good for decoration. Cold Drip, I also like its apparatus, beautifully designed.

引言回覆:

Tiamo 700S *best bearing and burr in same kind grinder !
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13831903684 <- reliable source for HK coffee geek.
Taiwan buying 220V, I have no idea warranty is better get it from China...
THX

Thanks.

I'm NOT interested on online purchase, particularly machines. I must consider the maintence service. Evethough I'm experienced on both mechanic and electric. Where can I find the components?

A further question:
Are there other places in Hong Kong to purchase Gaggia coffee machines other than SOGO and Wing On?

B.R.
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For grinder I'm targeting on;
Compak K-3 Touch
http://www.compak.es/en/productos/020202.htm

K-3, good, but I prefer grinder with doser:
http://www.compak.es/en/productos/020201.htm
few agents in HK, which one you go for ?
this one is the best for home machines, you can call before go to their shop :
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_21_22&products_id=201

http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/contact.html

you can also get the Gaggia Classic from them:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_9_10_15&products_id=288

***Shing gor is a good mechanic, if you are interest PID or better modification, he is the person willing to help you.
Both of them Shing gor and Landy are nice people, their coffee knowledge are very good !

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http://hongkong.asiaclassified.com/en/Eureka+Mignon+Istantaneo+grinder+-+Brio+Espresso--4cf9b817e62d6c5920f70301
?????????10?2? (??????????)
This folk offers Eureka grinder. Have you ever visited his office?

hahaha you are smart to found the most expensive retail shop in hk.
they sell products only...

Gaggia Classic needs a better steam wand for frothing:


satimis 寫到:

A further question:
Are there other places in Hong Kong to purchase Gaggia coffee machines other than SOGO and Wing On?
B.R.
satimis

*** I just saw few months ago, SOGO promostion, 4.2 or 4.4k I forgotten sorry.
And here, I only recommend you as above:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/contact.html

satimis 寫到:

I'm NOT interested on online purchase, particularly machines. I must consider the maintence service. Evethough I'm experienced on both mechanic and electric. Where can I find the components?


My experience and story to you:
I bought an old used La Cimbali Domus Classic machine from overseas long time ago.
Bad cared before me, end up sent to Deep Clean service, and open the PF bottom,
normally, parts are the only issue, people know mechanics, they can do it easily.
They use commercial parts, so no problem to me too.
There may only few agents in the world still have stock - discontinued,
due to plastic case but 1300W with commercial parts used.
parts no problem since they use same gaskets as their 20-50yrs long last commercial machines.
but this is the best home machine to me, no need much adjustment for the Barista/s,
just correct grind, a little flush before brewing and Softened water is must,
Steam better than my HX E61 machine, although this is a small group boiler machine.
Interesting point is, cheap cheap old used machine,
looks not a good machine but brewing and steaming quality better than my HX E61 machine.





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Hi bib,

Thanks for your info and links.

I'll do some homework on "Compak K-3 Elite". Usually before finalising my selection I'll read reviews both of users and experts. There are many valuable information there.

I have another consideration on grinder, the "Mazzer Mini", which is also available here.

High-end Espresso Grinder Reviews
http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-grinder-reviews.html

Regarding the steamer of Gaggia Classic, both New Baby and Baby Class provided with ball-joint steamer but NOT for Classic.

See the comparison in the video:
Gaggia New Baby Espresso Machine
http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/new_baby.cfm


Edit:
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If NOT influenced by the reviews I'll select Gaggia New Baby Twin which is sold in Sogo at abt 4.9k. It has twin boilers.
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satimis 寫到:
Hi bib,
Thanks for your info and links.
I'll do some homework on "Compak K-3 Elite". Usually before finalising my selection I'll read reviews both of users and experts. There are many valuable information there.
I have another consideration on grinder, the "Mazzer Mini", which is also available here.
High-end Espresso Grinder Reviews
http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-grinder-reviews.html
Regarding the steamer of Gaggia Classic, both New Baby and Baby Class provided with ball-joint steamer but NOT for Classic.
See the comparison in the video:
Gaggia New Baby Espresso Machine
http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/new_baby.cfm
Edit:
===
If NOT influenced by the reviews I'll select Gaggia New Baby Twin which is sold in Sogo at abt 4.9k. It has twin boilers.


If price up to Mazzer Mini, better go for Super Jolly manual !
Gaggia Classic is the only Gaggia home machine I will get within your budget.
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I have my broken Cappuccino machine fixed 2 hours ago.
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I own a Saeco semiautomatic expresso machine, Via Veneto, Cappuccino Combi, which has been used for >10 years until its boiler stopped working recently, no hot water coming out from the brew head nor steam generated.

See photo:
http://ubuntuone.com/0l9LwyIxAVrPxTGlobvgz4

The said machine is provided with a built-in burr grinder and a flexible pipe connecting the milk container which is not provided. During frothing, milk is sucked via syphone action.

I never use this attachment which is still in its own box unpacked. The machine was completely manufactured in Italy with Saeco and its address stamped on the machine body, vividly marked "Made in Italy". Nowadays most coffee machines available in Hong Kong are either completely manufactured in China OR assembled in China with key parts/components imported from Western Europe (not Eastern Europe) claiming made in Italy, with a paper sticker fixed inside the machine.

After the acquisition of Saeco by Philips I can't procure maintenance service from Saeco's then agent here. Therefore I decided fixing it myself. Through intensive browsing on Internet I found its mechanical drawing as well as electrical drawing (the wiring diagram). Finally I discovered the problem coming from the defective thermostat. Unfortunately I failed to find its replacement here even in Shenzhen, in the electronic and electric malls. A few days ago I bought a broken electric appliance in Apliu Street, Shamshuipo. I removed its thermostat, modifying it and replacing the broken thermostat aforesaid with it. Fortunately it worked.

I thoroughly cleaned the cappuccino machine, both internally and externally. Now the machine looks like a brand new product.

My broken Saeco revives!!!


I'm still prepared to get a new grinder and a new semiautomatic espresso machine. But there is no urgent need. I'll perform more homework finding the right equipment at the right price.

Actually I'm in favour of The BREVILLE BES900 Dual Boiler Coffe Maker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtLQ7jU2tU

It earns high appraising.

But it is NOT available here. I'll wait to see whether the situation will change soon OR Gaggia New Baby Twin getting improved on its twin boiler.

Sunbeam EM 7000 Espresso
http://vimeopro.com/livestreamaustralia/sunbeam-cafe-series/video/40904859

will be released soon. It is a direct competition with BREVILLE BES900 Dual Boiler Coffe Maker.

If Gaggia Classic costs 4.2~4.4k as mentioned by you previously why not paying a few hundred dollars more for a twin boiler machine with ball-joint steamer. That is my opinion.


Descaling:-
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I use 5% acetic acid mixed with equal part of water for descaling. It works without problem (citric acid has the same effect). But after descaling I have to flush the cappuccino machine with water removing the acid odour. Pls advise where can I purchase descaling agent in good price here? TIA
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發表發表於: 星期三 七月 04, 2012 2:13 am    文章主題: Re: my broken Cappuccino machine fixed 2 hours ago 引言回覆

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Descaling:-
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I use 5% acetic acid mixed with equal part of water for descaling. It works without problem (citric acid has the same effect). But after descaling I have to flush the cappuccino machine with water removing the acid odour. Pls advise where can I purchase descaling agent in good price here? TIA


Try Jusco dept. store there are well pack and quality acid for electric boiler.

Dual boiler ? Extract and froth at same time ?
these action for pro Barista ?? home one.... all depends on the user.
Descale dual boiler more complicated ?? I think so ...?
not sure how stable temp. we need for 1-2 shots each time at home, I am neweyecrazy want perfect shot, so waste coffee...
if space doesn't matter, single group commercial machine I highly recommend you to consider about.
2nd Hand HX commercial single group vs dual boiler new home machine.
no matter what I like single HX better.
Dual concept for commercial million mL to froth. I buy.
Dual home....not sure...

THX for sharing. Wink
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- snip -
Try Jusco dept. store there are well pack and quality acid for electric boiler.


That is NOT for descaling coffee machines.

Descalers
http://www.petra-electric.de/en/products/de-scaling-agent.html

http://www.cafetto.com/9-descalers

I have no idea where to buy in Hong Kong. The common descaling agent is "sour salt" which is citric acid. If I can't find it here I'll use citric acid instead. Acetic acid also works. But it is necessary flushing the machine thoroughly with water afterwards to remove the acid odour

引言回覆:

Dual boiler ? Extract and froth at same time ?

Yes

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Descale dual boiler more complicated ??

No problem for BREVILLE BES900 Dual Boiler Coffe Maker. Gaggia New Baby Twin needs to be maintained by the manufacturer.
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That is NOT for descaling coffee machines.

This is Citric Acid !! works well on Stainless Steel
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Descalers
http://www.petra-electric.de/en/products/de-scaling-agent.html
http://www.cafetto.com/9-descalers

I know durgol descaler !
Check Saeco agent here,
I have used Gaggia Descaler. anyway, for descaling, disassemble the machine is the only way I use.
satimis 寫到:

I have no idea where to buy in Hong Kong. The common descaling agent is "sour salt" which is citric acid. If I can't find it here I'll use citric acid instead. Acetic acid also works. But it is necessary flushing the machine thoroughly with water afterwards to remove the acid odour

for Cafetto, check 18gram / Glory !!
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This is Citric Acid !! works well on Stainless Steel

For descaling coffee machine the product is marketed as "sour salt". Similarly we can use "Lemon Juice" or squashing a fresh lemon. It has the same effect. Afterwards it needs to flush the machine with fresh water thoroughly. Immediately you can watch some dirty in dark colour coming out. I have been using citric acid/acetic acid to descale my Saeco Cappuccino machine without problem. The only problem is I have to flush the machine thoroughly with fresh water to remove the odour.

引言回覆:

I know durgol descaler !
Check Saeco agent here,

Thanks.

After acquisition Saeco is now owned by Philips known as Philips Saeco. I'll check Philips showroom in my next visit there.

引言回覆:

I have used Gaggia Descaler. anyway, for descaling, disassemble the machine is the only way I use.

I have been descaling my Saeco machine may times. It was NOT necessary to dismantle the machine.

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for Cafetto, check 18gram / Glory !!

OK, I'll check 18gram in my next visit to CitySuper, TST. Thanks

Actually for consuming products such as descaling agents, coffee beans, etc. online purchase also works without problem if we can't find them locally. Not similar to machines after sales service has to be considered.
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