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fungfungyi



註冊時間: 2008-03-26
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 7:35 am    文章主題: xp4050 引言回覆

hello i am coffee newbie and just bought 4050. But i did get some problem in frothing milk, i found the bundled auto-cappucino system didnt work fine actually. So how should I froth the milk, if i take out the frothing tap, it seems to be too short ...

Any advise ??? Many thanks Very Happy Very Happy
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bib



註冊時間: 2007-04-21
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 9:24 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

PLEASE DO NOT DOUBLE POST on SAME FORUM:

Try this, it may help:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1493

THANKS
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fungfungyi



註冊時間: 2008-03-26
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 10:32 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

Thanks for your reply. If I am not changing the steam wand to a "銅奶咀", can I still froth the milk well? Actually, I have tried 3 methods:

1. use the 4050 auto-cappuccino system, i.e., insert the rubber tube into the hole provided in the right hand side of the steam wand (4020 don't have this hole) and put the other end of the tube directly into the milk. The milk will come out from the bottom of the steam wand.

Result: milk not foamy and just a little bit of bubbles on the side of the cup Sad

2. use the steam wand without the rubber tube to froth the milk.

Result:
not foamy, and have big bubbles when frothing the milk (maybe because of my skills). I recognise the steam wand will output some water besides the steam too. Is that normal?? Sad

3. don't use the wand at all. No water coming out but milk still not foamy.

Result: milk not foamy, just like hot milk. Sad

I really wonder why it can't froth milk. Is that the flaw of the machine, or my skills or the milk?? If "銅奶咀" will do, then I will consider changing it. But really want to learn the reason of it.

Please help! I am a little desperate of choosing this machine now.
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dodo



註冊時間: 2008-01-16
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 11:19 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

Can you show us some photos?

From the outlook, the steam wand of 4020 & 4050 are exactly the same. Many of us using 4020 can froth well (p.s. for me, skill problem...) without using 銅奶咀. The 300ml 拉花杯 is fine but you need to tilt 45 degree to allow the head touch milk
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bib



註冊時間: 2007-04-21
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 3:37 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

Hello fungfungyi,

The 銅奶咀 is invented by the Greatest person here.

Don't say 4020 Krups kind machine.

Even E61 Pro-sumer machine also need to change gold PRO tip to froth.

See the performance of the 4020 銅奶咀:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1401&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
There is no point for me to suggest you / any excuse to save this little $.

By the way, there are 2 point I want you to sure first:
1- The machine has been fully warm up.
I always do some flush whatever machine I use.
I may waste one full tank for 4050...
2- Full Fat and cold enough milk has been used?
I always use Kowloon and put it in the freezer for about 8-10 minutes before frothing. The milk jug never leaves the freezer when not used.

Warm up procedure, please apply the concept, and do to your machine:
http://www.coffeekid.com/archived/rancilio/cheatsilvia

My concept may be wrong, please correct me if there is anything wrong.
Water inside the boiler without any movement, the heat sensor get used to the temperature and not sensitive enough,
then there may the water is hot, but the boiler not in a perfect working order - not hot enough. Especially for home machine I guess. User always just follow the instruction to do the warm up.
Yes, I agree if the machine always in brand new condition, it may be ok.
But there are many instruction tell users to flush the boiler for 1-2 tanks.
I do 5-10 tanks before do the first brew. Why ?
I guess the boiler has not been used for more than few months after it left the factory and let the boiler/heat element gets more sensitive to the water...may be I am wrong...
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fungfungyi



註冊時間: 2008-03-26
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 4:09 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

Hello,
Below are the photos of the 4050:

1. With the rubber tube plugged
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/2363433559_944b738c1f.jpg?v=1206545143[/img]

2. With the rubber tube unplugged
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/2363433025_4b10048a30.jpg?v=0[/img]

3. The whole steam wand is unplugged
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2363432459_21c3822c97.jpg?v=1206545201[/img]

Yes. I do warm up the machine but not the whole tank, and I have already used cold milk (2-10 degree). I tried Paul's milk yesterday, and changed to Dairy Farm milk tonight. Still, not much improvement.

I found a reference of milk frothing. It actually says non-fat milk is the easier to froth. Any experience? http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/frothingguide/steamguide
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jackhkau



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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 4:16 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

fresh milk =p
3. The whole steam wand is unplugged <-- this can help you to forth the milk.
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fungfungyi



註冊時間: 2008-03-26
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 4:17 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

Oops, the photos link aren't correct. Here are the photos again:
1. With the rubber tube plugged


2. With the rubber tube unplugged


3. The whole steam wand is unplugged



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Hello,
Below are the photos of the 4050:

1. With the rubber tube plugged
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/2363433559_944b738c1f.jpg?v=1206545143[/img]

2. With the rubber tube unplugged
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/2363433025_4b10048a30.jpg?v=0[/img]

3. The whole steam wand is unplugged
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2363432459_21c3822c97.jpg?v=1206545201[/img]

Yes. I do warm up the machine but not the whole tank, and I have already used cold milk (2-10 degree). I tried Paul's milk yesterday, and changed to Dairy Farm milk tonight. Still, not much improvement.

I found a reference of milk frothing. It actually says non-fat milk is the easier to froth. Any experience? http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/frothingguide/steamguide
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bib



註冊時間: 2007-04-21
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發表發表於: 星期三 三月 26, 2008 7:15 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

fungfungyi 寫到:
I tried Paul's milk yesterday, and changed to Dairy Farm milk tonight. Still, not much improvement.


Hello fungfungyi,

Try Pura FULL FAT NORMAL one which stored in the SUPERMARKET Fridge and Kowloon (WAI Kee).

The 銅奶咀 should help a lot.
4020 use 銅奶咀 with such result, I think it worths.
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1401&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
or think about a dual boiler domestic machine for perfect frothing:
http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin


Hope can help, thanks.



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bib 在 星期五 三月 28, 2008 3:23 am 作了第 1 次修改
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dodo



註冊時間: 2008-01-16
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發表發表於: 星期四 三月 27, 2008 5:55 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

You should definitely go for option 3, but I guess your jug is too big and that's why you can't reach the milk. So, the first thing to do is to replace the jug!

Fresh got what you need:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=242

I used Pura UHT before. It worked fine for me but later switched to Kowloon fresh just to stick with common practice. People said Pura fresh is the best but it cost a lot more.

I strongly recommend that you go get the jug first YOURSELF. And you'll discover the difference... the point is you should go 'yourself', haha....
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fungfungyi



註冊時間: 2008-03-26
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發表發表於: 星期四 三月 27, 2008 3:54 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

dodo 寫到:
You should definitely go for option 3, but I guess your jug is too big and that's why you can't reach the milk. So, the first thing to do is to replace the jug!

Fresh got what you need:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=242

I used Pura UHT before. It worked fine for me but later switched to Kowloon fresh just to stick with common practice. People said Pura fresh is the best but it cost a lot more.

I strongly recommend that you go get the jug first YOURSELF. And you'll discover the difference... the point is you should go 'yourself', haha....


thanks for your suggestion
and i will consider this seriously, of coz by MYSELF
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harry



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發表發表於: 星期五 三月 28, 2008 7:14 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

Hi! fungfungyi! 我從前用4050架..... 不過之前好不幸咁部機壞左電子板....又改左機,所以無得整........至於銅奶咀,我同Landy係第一個用架~因為支野係我同阿Shing哥諗出黎,滿足我用600ml 奶壺... Embarassed

至於打奶方面,我可以話比你知,係可以唔用銅奶咀架~不過一定唔可以用跟機配件....個兩件野完全無用架~ 唔用銅奶咀支棒就一定短小,難小小,但係用300ml 奶壺就一定得,我之前都係咁用 Wink 加左銅奶咀就用600ml 奶壺都ok~ Twisted Evil 但係就一定要學好技術、習慣左方法、搵到正確位置先打得到.....詳情請先睇片.... Wink

換機....我覺得時無要lor~ Enjoy 下先啦~Wink
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fungfungyi



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發表發表於: 星期六 三月 29, 2008 4:34 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

yes, I won't the machine at this stage now. The milk foam I made now is still not as good as I think. I need to practice more! Laughing
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發表發表於: 星期六 三月 29, 2008 12:07 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

fungfungyi 寫到:
yes, I won't the machine at this stage now. The milk foam I made now is still not as good as I think. I need to practice more! Laughing


Very Happy 比心機練多D 就得啦..

好似之前有D 咖啡友講,台灣有人用steam 機都出到一杯正的咖啡出來,
好似影相咁,有技術的,比部dc 仔Lomo機都影到靚相,
相反,我見過有人用部300D..影o左d 垃圾出來. Very Happy

Embarassed 話時話,我部bb 其實打奶都唔錯,但係我都仲未打到好奶出來 Embarassed

有時間的,可以聽Ah Shing 咁講,用機錄低過程,呢度好多專家可以教我地 Very Happy
(不過我好懶... 仲未拍) Twisted Evil
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發表發表於: 星期日 三月 30, 2008 11:37 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

fungfungyi 寫到:
Thanks for your reply. If I am not changing the steam wand to a "銅奶咀", can I still froth the milk well? Actually, I have tried 3 methods:

1. use the 4050 auto-cappuccino system, i.e., insert the rubber tube into the hole provided in the right hand side of the steam wand (4020 don't have this hole) and put the other end of the tube directly into the milk. The milk will come out from the bottom of the steam wand.

Result: milk not foamy and just a little bit of bubbles on the side of the cup Sad

2. use the steam wand without the rubber tube to froth the milk.

Result:
not foamy, and have big bubbles when frothing the milk (maybe because of my skills). I recognise the steam wand will output some water besides the steam too. Is that normal?? Sad

3. don't use the wand at all. No water coming out but milk still not foamy.

Result: milk not foamy, just like hot milk. Sad

I really wonder why it can't froth milk. Is that the flaw of the machine, or my skills or the milk?? If "銅奶咀" will do, then I will consider changing it. But really want to learn the reason of it.

Please help! I am a little desperate of choosing this machine now.

with the whole steam wand accessory unplugged, you can.
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