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lamchan2004



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如果入espresso machine H104唔合適喎
加熱到100度Question Question 以上會有白色沉積物
have you checked the boiler inside? I have done it with H104

我自己用ESO7加前置濾芯
以香港水質濾水量最少有5000公升. 估? how many grains with your tap water ?
Your home may be fitted what you said. guessing not every home/flat/place, tap and water supply system. I use 0.000digits electronic TDS meter to test PPM, *** but what's inside ? needed to send to a LAP then
前置3個月換一次 what is its media ? sediment ? etc etc ? Thank you.
主濾芯每年更換


lamchan2004 CHing,
ES07 1/7 carbon, 6/7 resin, main function is soften the water.
I use H104 for hand drip coffee mainly, ppm perfect for it for my living place.
*** I sent water sample to lab, my living place water perfectly for drip and good enough for my pump in espresso machine NO SCALE after 2years use of h104.
***** Every water supply system and pipe condition are different. I changed all water pipe to Europe food grade water pipe when renoviating.

Generally,If the ESO7 for espresso machine use ONLY, then fine,
BUT for whole family use, cooking, making soup, good? minerial Question
I recommend H104 or H1200, depends on the volume.

By the way, ESO7 single run effective flow rate is 0.5gpm only, honest, it doesn't make any sense, when the pump running, it doesn't provide appropiate filtration efficiency for you. If run with a normal single E61 home pumpin machine at least 2 ESO7filter with a MC2, for a commecial pumpin triple ESO7 just fine for the pump working. So 1 or 2 MC2 for good taste water, 3x ESO7 for a good commercial espresso EVERPURE filter set up.

Good Share


Ching
h104我無用過,唔適合係根據everpure sales嘅講法
我大約2年前接觸everpure產品,最初係用單支mh2
當時我未開始對咖啡有興趣,發現問題只係每次煲水都有唔少白色沉澱物
其後加左sr-x就無事

最近因為搬屋,換左e20前置加eso7
我只係for入咖啡機
其他用途維持mh2加sr-x

我問左espressoparts同everpure
同樣答覆eso7嘅1.9lpm絕對足夠任何單頭espresso machine
而且h104同樣係1.9lpm
至於5000公升濾水量,我係根據我屋企大約4 grains計的
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屋企濾水系統已經用左十八年,相信都係時候整套更換,諗諗先。 Razz


十八年. 勁襟. good.

只需要定期更換消耗性部件(濾蕊),其他嘅都好襟用,未塞過。
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如果入espresso machine H104唔合適喎
加熱到100度以上會有白色沉積物
我自己用ESO7加前置濾芯
以香港水質濾水量最少有5000公升
前置3個月換一次
主濾芯每年更換

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Ching
h104我無用過,唔適合係根據everpure sales
我大約2年前接觸everpure產品,最初係用單支mh2
當時我未開始對咖啡有興趣,發現問題只係每次煲水都有唔少白色沉澱物
其後加左sr-x就無事

最近因為搬屋,換左e20前置加eso7
我只係for入咖啡機
其他用途維持mh2加sr-x

我問左espressoparts同everpure
同樣答覆eso7嘅1.9lpm絕對足夠任何單頭espresso machine
而且h104同樣係1.9lpm
至於5000公升濾水量,我係根據我屋企大約4 grains計的


I never expect espressoparts and everpure tell me there is any product design fault, I only believe and trust the data sheet, 0.5gpm definitely NOT fits when any espresso machine rotary running*** pump in !!,
for hand drip tank model, no problem if anyone control the water tap flow rate under 0.5gpm, otherwise there won't be double and triple ESO7 running together model.
ESO7, main function is anti scale.
For my personally poor coffee knowledge, to improve taste and odor are much much more important than scale to the machine.
Hong Kong hardness of water NOT same as States.
here is the H104 data sheet, Benefits:
Reduction of lime and scale build-up in appliances that use water

http://residential.everpure.com/Files/KnowledgeBase/ItemDownload/en/310910-h-104-rev-d-jl14.pdf

*** there is no perfect filter system for any application, ESO7 MH2 ??? ??? . Hong Kong supply softer water than other hard water countries and area, if interest in such info, please check HK water supplies dept.
I just know some Q-graders, they have ONE H104 filter for their hand drip, espresso machine, cooking, making soup etc etc, NO Scale problem at all in general Hong Kong supply.

No problem, for such demanding coffee lovers, we can organize a whole house softener and membrane filter system which 100% guarantee better than 3-5 ESO7 together***group buying, and it just cost more than 50% of a GS3 machine. Then add a mineral adding system for accurate TDS !! This is the best system for espresso machine.

NOT TRUST ANYONE, WANT A PERFECT FILTER SYSTEM, BUY A LAB GRADE TDS METER CHECK ALL THE TIME, AND SEND TO LAB FOR TEST before GETTING ANY FILTER.NO ONE WOULD SAY ANYTHING BAD OR DISADVANTAGES OF THEIR PRODUCT.

I organize this H104 group buy, due to general daily use for drinking and cooking, Q-graders recommendation for drip and average HK water for espresso machine and my experience of E61 pump in, no scale problem with very good taste of filtered water.
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請問各位Ching,如果自來水先入H104再經MH2至入機又夠唔夠呢?? Rolling Eyes


H104 for normal drinking/cooking and before the MH2 --> enter espresso machine.

both filters are Changed once a year is ok ! MH2 is good enough of HONG KONG water supply for Espresso machine use.

I will check how many members want MH2 too.

THX
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請問各位Ching,如果自來水先入H104再經MH2至入機又夠唔夠呢?? Rolling Eyes


H104 for normal drinking/cooking and before the MH2 --> enter espresso machine.

both filters are Changed once a year is ok ! MH2 is good enough of HONG KONG water supply for Espresso machine use.

I will check how many members want MH2 too.

THX




其實H104 flow rate係幾多??H104+MH2哩個組合會唔會好似lamchan師兄所講咁樣,先經細flow rate嘅H104再進入大flow rate嘅HM2會變得唔合理,浪費咗MH2本身應有嘅效能呢??

若果MH2入Esp機之外,同時用作飲用水又得唔得??因為MH2除咗anti scale之外,同時亦可以改善水質,咁同H104比,喺水質改善方面有何分別呢??

(小弟剛剛入手Leva2,之前從來未接觸過濾水系統,好多嘢都唔了解,請各位師兄多多指教,比我學下嘢,thanks a lot!!) Wink
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用開H104多年。美國訂,定期自帶回港。我在當地郵購,約hkd6一700 per filter. 以一般用途計,相當抵用。

以Everpure 資料,只有SCS350 built for Espresso machine. 而ESO 7 Filter 好像也未有此供能,其價格大約比h104 芯貴一倍左右.


你講嘅SCS350係好舊嘅型號,而且濾水量極低
2014年everpure product page只有ESO7同claris適合espresso machine

http://www.pentair.com/~/media/files/2014%20foodservice%20catalog.pdf


Good to know。thanks for info。
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用開H104多年。美國訂,定期自帶回港。我在當地郵購,約hkd6一700 per filter. 以一般用途計,相當抵用。

以Everpure 資料,只有SCS350 built for Espresso machine. 而ESO 7 Filter 好像也未有此供能,其價格大約比h104 芯貴一倍左右.


Parts , Pipes + USA made faucet ? $ ?
How much ? THX.
*** Can guarantee fresh stock ? how ?
THANK YOU


我上年剛在美國買了套h104. 印象中约hkd1500. 當中包括filter head, filter cartiage 和一些接駁配件等 如圖。而出水頭龍頭在砵蘭街另買。裝修時一次過做在sink 下面。

Filter cartiage 包裝上有生産date code. 可在Everpure 網上找到code 的代表數字。我買回來的都頗為新鮮 只是數個月内的production. 生產地註明assembled in USA.

另外香港水質其實不硬,之前test 過不用甚麼softener 也沒問題的。
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如果入espresso machine H104唔合適喎
加熱到100度以上會有白色沉積物
我自己用ESO7加前置濾芯
以香港水質濾水量最少有5000公升
前置3個月換一次
主濾芯每年更換

lamchan2004 寫到:

Ching
h104我無用過,唔適合係根據everpure sales
我大約2年前接觸everpure產品,最初係用單支mh2
當時我未開始對咖啡有興趣,發現問題只係每次煲水都有唔少白色沉澱物
其後加左sr-x就無事

最近因為搬屋,換左e20前置加eso7
我只係for入咖啡機
其他用途維持mh2加sr-x

我問左espressoparts同everpure
同樣答覆eso7嘅1.9lpm絕對足夠任何單頭espresso machine
而且h104同樣係1.9lpm
至於5000公升濾水量,我係根據我屋企大約4 grains計的


I never expect espressoparts and everpure tell me there is any product design fault, I only believe and trust the data sheet, 0.5gpm definitely NOT fits when any espresso machine rotary running*** pump in !!,
for hand drip tank model, no problem if anyone control the water tap flow rate under 0.5gpm, otherwise there won't be double and triple ESO7 running together model.
ESO7, main function is anti scale.
For my personally poor coffee knowledge, to improve taste and odor are much much more important than scale to the machine.
Hong Kong hardness of water NOT same as States.
here is the H104 data sheet, Benefits:
Reduction of lime and scale build-up in appliances that use water

http://residential.everpure.com/Files/KnowledgeBase/ItemDownload/en/310910-h-104-rev-d-jl14.pdf

*** there is no perfect filter system for any application, ESO7 MH2 ??? ??? . Hong Kong supply softer water than other hard water countries and area, if interest in such info, please check HK water supplies dept.
I just know some Q-graders, they have ONE H104 filter for their hand drip, espresso machine, cooking, making soup etc etc, NO Scale problem at all in general Hong Kong supply.

No problem, for such demanding coffee lovers, we can organize a whole house softener and membrane filter system which 100% guarantee better than 3-5 ESO7 together***group buying, and it just cost more than 50% of a GS3 machine. Then add a mineral adding system for accurate TDS !! This is the best system for espresso machine.

NOT TRUST ANYONE, WANT A PERFECT FILTER SYSTEM, BUY A LAB GRADE TDS METER CHECK ALL THE TIME, AND SEND TO LAB FOR TEST before GETTING ANY FILTER.NO ONE WOULD SAY ANYTHING BAD OR DISADVANTAGES OF THEIR PRODUCT.

I organize this H104 group buy, due to general daily use for drinking and cooking, Q-graders recommendation for drip and average HK water for espresso machine and my experience of E61 pump in, no scale problem with very good taste of filtered water.


Ching
我唔係想同你爭論邊款比較好同適合
但你唔好講到好似得h104好咁
h104嘅flow rate一樣得0.5Gpm
而且你咁多用途,咁咪幾個月就要換濾芯?

正常一部單頭espresso machine嘅rotary pump都係60Gph左右 (max flow)
而且部機無任何情況會用到咁高流量
同埋入機前都會裝pressure regulator同flow restrictor掛?
幾好嘅balanced pump都無可能做到100%穩定水壓,如果inlet pressure唔穩定的話

如果生產商嘅建議都唔可信,咁應該信邊個
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Ching
我唔係想同你爭論邊款比較好同適合
但你唔好講到好似得h104好咁
h104嘅flow rate一樣得0.5Gpm
而且你咁多用途,咁咪幾個月就要換濾芯?

正常一部單頭espresso machine嘅rotary pump都係60Gph左右 (max flow)
而且部機無任何情況會用到咁高流量
同埋入機前都會裝pressure regulator同flow restrictor掛?
幾好嘅balanced pump都無可能做到100%穩定水壓,如果inlet pressure唔穩定的話

如果生產商嘅建議都唔可信,咁應該信邊個


1- for home use, drinking, cooking, making drip/french press/siphon coffee, H104 ! I am talking about general use ! H104 is better.
2- I am organizing H104 group buy, check what is the subject I post and this area. I open this topic for discussion ? filter for espresso machine ?? which filter is the best for espresso machine in USA ?
then You post how good is the ESO7 for espresso machine, have I ? did I ? say H104 is a best filter for espresso machine ? you may make a misunderstanding, HERE is 團購 post, NOT water filter discussion.
3- whatever home single E61 head machine / 3 group head commercial espresso machine, once the rotary pump activating, the flow rate more than 1 GMP at that moment, so if ANYONE believe ESO7 provides appropriate water for espresso, IT MUST BE RUN THE TRIPLE ESO7 together which provide enough flow rate to have good enough filtered water for espresso. Otherwise 型同虐設。
4- 要Pro 就要跟足Spec Sheet / Data Sheet 做 !
3pcs ESO7先做到1.5gmp 比個rotary泵着時有足夠filtered water。
60GPH = 1GPM, 我從來預鬆少少,所以3pcs ESO7 先夠。 
ESO7 more than 70% are RESIN. I believe filter MAIN FUNCTION improves taste and odor, for this function, H104 carbon block has better performance.
5-Until this moment, CHing, everything you say and post is SALES saying. Someone say he/she is a professional good for HONG KONG ? water supply ??? for espresso machine! One thing can 100% SURE 0.5 GPM definitely NOT enough flow rate FOLLOW your post 60GPH !! You have NOT used and never check the real situation H104 is GOOD enough for HONG KONG. AND
Everpure data sheet saying very clearly : H104--Reduction of lime and scale build-up in appliances that use water THAT you saying again and again, how good is ESO7, H104 has scale built up. ESO7 no.

I am talking about H104 actual using in general HONG KONG water supply, Q-grader recommend,
you keep BS of the unknown professional and factory wrong data running single ESO7 performance for espresso machine is good.
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其實H104 flow rate係幾多??H104+MH2哩個組合會唔會好似lamchan師兄所講咁樣,先經細flow rate嘅H104再進入大flow rate嘅HM2會變得唔合理,浪費咗MH2本身應有嘅效能呢??

若果MH2入Esp機之外,同時用作飲用水又得唔得??因為MH2除咗anti scale之外,同時亦可以改善水質,咁同H104比,喺水質改善方面有何分別呢??

(小弟剛剛入手Leva2,之前從來未接觸過濾水系統,好多嘢都唔了解,請各位師兄多多指教,比我學下嘢,thanks a lot!!) Wink


H104, flow rate 0.5GPM, ideal for espresso machine Add a Resin would be fine for HONG KONG.
H104+MH2,I answered above. CHANGE ONCE a YEAR is fine, you don't need to worry about the total capacity of the MH2.
It's ok and reasonable, no problem. They are almost the same.
But MH2, the word, sales and the Company says its good for coffee machine. You like it, that's all.

***H104 1000gallon capacity, MH2 is 9000gallon which for commercial use.

If you want better softening performance, you join the H104 group buy and I also order an USA made resin filter for your home use. You can have a food grade plastic or 304 Stainless steel housing.

H104, honestly I fit the consumer's need, to organize this group buy.
Home users, H104,
Cafe and restaurants, MH2 !!
They are just a name !!

Don't let the name of the filters mislead you !
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我上年剛在美國買了套h104. 印象中约hkd1500. 當中包括filter head, filter cartiage 和一些接駁配件等 如圖。而出水頭龍頭在砵蘭街另買。裝修時一次過做在sink 下面。

Filter cartiage 包裝上有生産date code. 可在Everpure 網上找到code 的代表數字。我買回來的都頗為新鮮 只是數個月内的production. 生產地註明assembled in USA.

另外香港水質其實不硬,之前test 過不用甚麼softener 也沒問題的。


That's why THIS group buy $2930 for 3 x H104 cartridges, 1 x USA made 出水頭龍頭, Head,
UK drinking pipes, parts included are good due.

Franke sink , good !!

By the way, warmly remind, Tide shouldn't be stored in the same place with the Philips toaster Laughing Laughing
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That's why THIS group buy $2930 for 3 x H104 cartridges, 1 x USA made 出水頭龍頭, Head,
UK drinking pipes, parts included are good due.

Franke sink , good !!

By the way, warmly remind, Tide shouldn't be stored in the same place with the Philips toaster Laughing Laughing[/quote]


Ha ha ⋯ 盒tide 太巨形放住sink 下面先姐。

番回H104, 太technical 野吾需要我講了,我自96年開始用,當時未玩咖啡,主要用h104 尼浄飲和煲湯煮飯,一年一支話之佢,我就覺得夠曬用了。完。

呢兩年開始玩咖啡,好多人建議必須要用甚麼softener 之類尼保護部espresso machine,其實香港水質一點也不硬,除非閣下居所之大廈水箱和來水管嚴重污染, 否則吾謊硬得去邊。純個人之情况,我繼續使用h104.

所謂硬水,在外國有D地方生活時, 洗完頭D頭髮會比正常乾曾曾,又沖水時沖極都會覺得滑do do. 個D水就真系硬了 ⋯⋯
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Ha ha ⋯ 盒tide 太巨形放住sink 下面先姐。

番回H104, 太technical 野吾需要我講了,我自96年開始用,當時未玩咖啡,主要用h104 尼浄飲和煲湯煮飯,一年一支話之佢,我就覺得夠曬用了。完。

呢兩年開始玩咖啡,好多人建議必須要用甚麼softener 之類尼保護部espresso machine,其實香港水質一點也不硬,除非閣下居所之大廈水箱和來水管嚴重污染, 否則吾謊硬得去邊。純個人之情况,我繼續使用h104.

所謂硬水,在外國有D地方生活時, 洗完頭D頭髮會比正常乾曾曾,又沖水時沖極都會覺得滑do do. 個D水就真系硬了 ⋯⋯



完全同意,你96年,識貨,
我96年仲蒲緊 my coffee.
05-06年癲咗咁 e61, Italian coffee,再深入學習水,
美國人 marketing好叻,用 coffee brewing, espresso 什麼什麼,用家用了以為自己係水專家,
我因愛咖啡而去學習水,有幸到醫院,酒店接觸到,他們的飲水機冰機洗鏡洗腎机嘅濾水系統。
能還原到水廠除氯後狀態,係我最想同用filter基本目的,甚麼再軟化/改ph,一講究就唔係咁做。
要穩定適合 espresso machine的水, 找認可的lab驗咗水版先再決定用甚麼濾水裝置。
段估,求其,不如是但用d GAC filter算數。

MH2用水量和流量是商用級
H104一般家用如stihk所講,夠哂用!

For espresso machine use,靠 cartridge 只是玩具級
R.O.再加 tds按量加返入水,貴過部GS3.
不過如果 filter上面張 label d字令用家開心d,**係香港用計,比錢吧!

Spec寫明 anti scale,話100°c水有白色沉澱粉。費解。
Set boiler去到100°c更加費解。
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發表發表於: 星期五 一月 09, 2015 2:56 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

好......又騎劫下你個團購post講多丁點用家經驗吧。小弟年來用了十幾支h104,有經香港代理買也有美國買自帶回來用,除了價錢,全無分別。

口感方面,h104濾過的與水喉直出清水淨飲計, AB test 會容易分別到的。(煲老火湯後除外)

有朋友提過或會漏墨 (我估佢意思係部分carbon滲入出水管) 我好采,十多年從未見過。

濾芯capacity有 1,000 gallons or 3,780 liters. 講真,以一般家用一年計日日平均要用10 liters 過濾水真係超多。理論上如支芯接近limit時流速會減慢甚或停止運作,我只試過年幾冇換芯,但此終未有能力用到流速慢,最後123換過支新算,反正幾舊水一支。

最後想講現代社會消費陷阱處處,商人總會巧立名目,推出千變萬化微積分的產品分類, 但求引導消費者找個藉口買多件貨,要找到真正適合閣下的商品,總要花點時間,經驗与智慧。
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