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coffeebean



註冊時間: 2008-01-14
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 11:51 am    文章主題: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

我想問, 我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。

我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?

仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?

同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。

我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!
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bib



註冊時間: 2007-04-21
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 1:33 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

coffeebean 寫到:
我想問, 我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。
我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!


Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:

coffeebean 寫到:
我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。

Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
coffeebean 寫到:
我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?

- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
coffeebean 寫到:
仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?

Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules.
With a good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
coffeebean 寫到:
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!

For me, keep it clean is the most important thing.
Use best filter you can have: I just read some Taiwan expert say: No distilled or R.O. water, exchange ionic and carbon filter are recommended.
I also use a Brita jug after the filters, try to have best quality water and save the service fees in the future.
**Using good filtered water, make the descaling-needed period longer.
If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead. Do you think the scale cause your machine out of order before ??



Thank you.
Hope can help..


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neohk



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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:26 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

coffeebean 寫到:
我想問, 我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。

我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?

仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?

同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。

我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!

tamp lee樣野好隨意, 只係一種令d 粉更平均分佈既方法.
最重要係1. 穩定 2.唔好傾向一邊, 會side channeling
用左一種力就次次用番同一種,咁樣你沖出黎先會平均.我自己會細力tamp, 貪佢易control同冇咁易傾斜. 用死力難d令隻手完全垂直.

你用咩機? 得閒刷下個group head, 有3-way就backflush, hx以上有心情可以descale.
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coffeebean



註冊時間: 2008-01-14
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:32 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

bib 寫到:
coffeebean 寫到:
我想問, 我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。
我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!


Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:

coffeebean 寫到:
我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。

Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
coffeebean 寫到:
我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?

- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
coffeebean 寫到:
仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?

Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules. With good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
coffeebean 寫到:
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!

If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead.

Thank you


Thanks呀~~幾多磅力呢度我明啦!

我部係kenwood機, 有埋一邊磨豆, 如果早D睇到呢個網, 我一定唔會買呢部野, 我個時都買左2千蚊, 佢跟機得一個basket, 但我飲唔到咁濃, 一半就差唔多, 我想問出面有冇得佩個細D家? kenwood就應該冇細個D佩喇!
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Arup



註冊時間: 2007-12-29
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:37 pm    文章主題: 我都用緊 Krups4020, 引言回覆

我都用緊 Krups4020, 大約一個月 Razz
還在這個 forum 同師兄學習 Razz Razz
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pillowpaky



註冊時間: 2007-11-24
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:47 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

大家交流交流啦,我都是12月才開始沖espresso
都係 新丁一名 smile3
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bib



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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:58 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

coffeebean 寫到:
我部係kenwood機, 有埋一邊磨豆, 如果早D睇到呢個網, 我一定唔會買呢部野, 我個時都買左2千蚊, 佢跟機得一個basket, 但我飲唔到咁濃, 一半就差唔多, 我想問出面有冇得佩個細D家? kenwood就應該冇細個D佩喇!


Find the Kenwood Hong Kong agent / service center to ask.
If you don't mind please list your machine's photo and let me know the model, I try to search it for you if there is no smaller basket in H.K....try .
If there is frothing function and you drink latte, then use the double for latte.
Or you drink espresso only ??
about 22-28Sec to have total 60cc / ml espresso ?? is it what you are doing ??
Sorry just 多事 to suggest you to have a better grinder which you can adjust the extraction flow and have better quality of espresso:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=383
Change/upgrade others later, 2 years may be good enough for a Kenwood machine ? or bring it to your office for more casual use ?
Get a 4020 machine and 600N grinder for relax enjoyment at home ?
If there is no single Kenwood basket or you don't want to spend more.
Just pick the 中段 or 頭段 espresso - also a good solution...should be the best part of it.

Hope can help and please forgive my 多事.
Thank you
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bc_xjl



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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:00 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

coffeebean 寫到:
bib 寫到:
coffeebean 寫到:
我想問, 我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。
我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!


Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:

coffeebean 寫到:
我部機個basket比較大, 一次可沖二杯, 如果我想沖一杯, 究竟係買過個一杯份量既basket好? 定減半份量來沖都冇問題? 因為我好似睇過電視講, 咖啡粉一定要裝滿個basket來沖先得。

Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
coffeebean 寫到:
我又睇到, 你地話如果個basket同個把手唔係好對size, 出咖啡有"溜"水, 可以買個膠圈, 我想問係咩膠卷? 向邊度有得買?

- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
coffeebean 寫到:
仲有係, 用tamper壓咖啡果下, 究竟要幾大力, 講話幾多磅力, 我完全get唔到, 有冇人可以具體少少咁講?

Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules. With good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
coffeebean 寫到:
同埋我想問, 咖啡機應該點保養? 我部機買左4年, 已經壞過2次。我用左4年espresso機都係新手~Thanks呀~!!!

If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead.

Thank you


Thanks呀~~幾多磅力呢度我明啦!

我部係kenwood機, 有埋一邊磨豆, 如果早D睇到呢個網, 我一定唔會買呢部野, 我個時都買左2千蚊, 佢跟機得一個basket, 但我飲唔到咁濃, 一半就差唔多, 我想問出面有冇得佩個細D家? kenwood就應該冇細個D佩喇!



Oh......I think it won't save that much since 1 shoot you will also have to do with 70% of your double shoot......not really directly proprtional..........if you really brew a good shot. Brewing not perfect shot is rather a waste to your coffee. Twisted Evil
P.S. I'm also a green hand even after I got my espresso machine after 2-3 years Embarassed
I think good coffee beans with commonplace or average machine will also brew an acceptable espresso......expensive machine just for fun only..
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coffeebean



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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:32 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

bib 寫到:
Find the Kenwood Hong Kong agent / service center to ask.
If you don't mind please list your machine's photo and let me know the model, I try to search it for you if there is no smaller basket in H.K....try .
If there is frothing function and you drink latte, then use the double for latte.
Or you drink espresso only ??
about 22-28Sec to have total 60cc / ml espresso ?? is it what you are doing ??
Sorry just 多事 to suggest you to have a better grinder which you can adjust the extraction flow and have better quality of espresso:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=383
Change/upgrade others later, 2 years may be good enough for a Kenwood machine ? or bring it to your office for more casual use ?
Get a 4020 machine and 600N grinder for relax enjoyment at home ?
If there is no single Kenwood basket or you don't want to spend more.
Just pick the 中段 or 頭段 espresso - also a good solution...should be the best part of it.

Hope can help and please forgive my 多事.
Thank you


呢度D人真係好心, 我部係ES621, sorry我唔識點加圖入來, 可以去呢度睇到:
http://www.exportappliances.com/showprod.asp?catid=192

我都有睇過你地話4020 and 600N, 但我部機仲留醫緊, 未知情況如何, 情況有好轉我都會繼續用, 唔想買新住, 咁好浪費。

我唔明咩叫做"中段 or 頭段 espresso"? 係咪即係只要頭沖出來個15sec既咖啡?

其實我都冇量過個basket有幾多g, 只知係沖到2杯, 我通常入半basket粉沖50ml, 都有試過裝滿晒粉, 結果精神左一日, 第二日大昏迷。
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:46 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

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Oh......I think it won't save that much since 1 shoot you will also have to do with 70% of your double shoot......not really directly proprtional..........if you really brew a good shot. Brewing not perfect shot is rather a waste to your coffee. Twisted Evil
P.S. I'm also a green hand even after I got my espresso machine after 2-3 years Embarassed
I think good coffee beans with commonplace or average machine will also brew an acceptable espresso......expensive machine just for fun only..


em, depends, I agree some situations we have,
Some of us cannot find a better or same nice shot outside.
But I like hand operate piston lever / spring lever espresso machines than any pump machines to have my excellent shot.
I have tried it for months; test and test.
Since I like crema very very much, so very very old machine-NOT my shot but I tried to make something like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLvTbfHRrp8
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發表發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 5:33 pm    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

coffeebean 寫到:
我唔明咩叫做"中段 or 頭段 espresso"? 係咪即係只要頭沖出來個15sec既咖啡?其實我都冇量過個basket有幾多g, 只知係沖到2杯, 我通常入半basket粉沖50ml, 都有試過裝滿晒粉, 結果精神左一日, 第二日大昏迷。


中段 or 頭段=即係頭沖出來個D Espresso or 唔要頭唔要尾要中間沖出來個D Espresso 無說明 15 sec or how many seconds.
I personally depends on the color of the espresso I extracted to stop.
Just 量個basket is not enough, we need to weight how much coffee we dose inside. Officially 13-15g gets 50-65 cc espresso within 22-28sec for a double basket - Italian official standard. Of course, some cases depend on the machines.
YOU 只知係沖到2杯, 我通常入半basket粉沖50ml - how many seconds you did the extraction ?? AND
都有試過裝滿晒粉 - again, how many seconds you did the extraction ??
Or your machine has been set the volume of water to be extracted.
You may need a tamper now, but make sure to get a right size.
May be watch this for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LpAKa_ckI
But 裝滿晒粉, 結果精神左一日, 第二日大昏迷。:
Drink more to practice or drink other kind of coffee - e.g. drip or filter.

Thanks
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發表發表於: 星期三 一月 16, 2008 5:55 am    文章主題: Re: 關於咖啡機 引言回覆

bib 寫到:
中段 or 頭段=即係頭沖出來個D Espresso or 唔要頭唔要尾要中間沖出來個D Espresso 無說明 15 sec or how many seconds.
I personally depends on the color of the espresso I extracted to stop.
Just 量個basket is not enough, we need to weight how much coffee we dose inside. Officially 13-15g gets 50-65 cc espresso within 22-28sec for a double basket - Italian official standard. Of course, some cases depend on the machines.
YOU 只知係沖到2杯, 我通常入半basket粉沖50ml - how many seconds you did the extraction ?? AND
都有試過裝滿晒粉 - again, how many seconds you did the extraction ??
Or your machine has been set the volume of water to be extracted.
You may need a tamper now, but make sure to get a right size.
May be watch this for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LpAKa_ckI
But 裝滿晒粉, 結果精神左一日, 第二日大昏迷。:
Drink more to practice or drink other kind of coffee - e.g. drip or filter.

Thanks


我冇計過幾多秒, 一夠50ml我就停, 部機會整返佢, 遲D拎返再計下時, 印象中都係廿零秒左右, 再詳細D量下個basket可以裝到幾g粉。

唔要頭或唔要尾段, 同淨要中間, 入口有咩唔同? 淨要中間最濃味?
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我冇計過幾多秒, 一夠50ml我就停, 部機會整返佢, 遲D拎返再計下時, 印象中都係廿零秒左右, 再詳細D量下個basket可以裝到幾g粉。

唔要頭或唔要尾段, 同淨要中間, 入口有咩唔同? 淨要中間最濃味?


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其實我都冇量過個basket有幾多g, 只知係沖到2杯, 我通常入半basket粉沖50ml, 都有試過裝滿晒粉, 結果精神左一日, 第二日大昏迷。


don't worry... just drink more.. you be fine... Very Happy

I heard that some of the kenwood's machine are identical to the krups.. maybe you can bring your portafilter to landy's shop and see if the krups 4020's baskets would fit or not..
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我冇計過幾多秒, 一夠50ml我就停, 部機會整返佢, 遲D拎返再計下時, 印象中都係廿零秒左右, 再詳細D量下個basket可以裝到幾g粉。唔要頭或唔要尾段, 同淨要中間, 入口有咩唔同? 淨要中間最濃味?


The diagram shown the strongest part starts from 1st drop.
Last part 尾段 is the sour and lightest part.

Make more and drink more - I agree.
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